Opening
Claire Butler (00:00:00): We had Coda. They were our first user, and they were based in Palo Alto. Dylan and I drove down and demoed the product to them, and they were the first ones. Their designer, Jeremy was like, "Yes, we'll take this on full time." And I remember we were both like, "What? Really? You will?" That was the first person who said yes to us. And so, we were so excited. This was a huge milestone. We were just so stoked....
The opener names the listener's problem first, then makes the guest useful to that problem.
Accept praise cleanly
this episode. Hopefully, they'll also spread it within their organization. Thank you so much for being here. Two final questions. Where can folks find you online if they want to reach out? And how can...
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Low-ego framing
that eventually we'll have other tools and that could be like mountaintop or I don't know what the rule, they had a whole thing around the different things that could be for the future product set. Claire...
Uses we/us, uncertainty, or learner framing instead of performing authority.
Accept praise cleanly
Well, that's a parenting podcast, a little bit, which is totally cool. Claire, thank you again so much for being here. I'll let you go. Claire Butler (01:30:55): Thank you. That was really fun....
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Ending
Claire Butler (01:30:16): Oh, I need this. I'm working on this right now. I need this. Lenny (01:30:18): Okay. I will send this to you, and I'll link it in the show notes. Also, right before I went on Pat Leave, I had Noah Weiss on the podcast, who was just leaving Pat Leave. Lenny (01:30:27): And he gave me this awesome advice of "Don't over-extrapolate every moment." This is less about getting ready for paternal leave, and more just being in it. Which is, "Don't over-extrapolate things that are going on....
The ending reorients from guest intimacy to listener usefulness.