Opening
Jeremy Henrickson (00:00:00): It's very, very tempting to float up here as a leader and say, "Hey, you take that hill over there. You guys do this over here." When in fact, where you really learn where the challenges are, or the problems or the successes is by just being there with the people in the trenches on one of the things, whichever one seems hardest or most complicated. And so I try to do that as often as I can, and I found that I always learn a lot by going through that detailed exercise....
The opener starts with biography before advice. That order makes the guest legible as a person before the listener extracts tactics.
Accept praise cleanly
Lenny (00:00:32): Jeremy Henrickson (00:03:30): Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Lenny (00:03:32): So I've heard nothing but amazing things about...
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Ask with curiosity
MVPs that you building products to further point. Is that true? And then if so, how do you think about the initial version of a product? Jeremy Henrickson (00:18:16): First of all, I don't want to knock on MVPs. I...
Turns a moment that could become critique into a question about the guest's thinking.
Low-ego framing
record, there's a bunch of other things you can't do. You can't build out a, I don't know, a permissioning system that looks at the various attributes across all of these products. You now suddenly have to...
Uses we/us, uncertainty, or learner framing instead of performing authority.
Accept praise cleanly
and so thank you for spending time with me. Thanks for being here. Two final questions, working folks, finding online if they want to...
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Ending
Jeremy Henrickson (01:07:32): Awesome. LinkedIn is the easiest way online and if what I've been talking about today sounds interesting to you, we're definitely hiring like senior entrepreneurial PMs. And so if those leadership principles on our website look interesting, I'd love to hear from you. Lenny (01:07:46): What's the best way to explore those roles and apply? The Jeremy Henrickson (01:07:49): The website has by far the best channel. It gets to this right recruiter who will tell me about it right away....
The ending stays curious after the formal conversation is almost done.