Opening
Petra Wille (00:00:00): Getting promoted is way harder if you're not good in telling stories and rallying the team behind the shared goal and all these kind of things, and you usually achieve this through good storytelling techniques. And in some teams, I've seen the product person not being really, really good at it, but then the whole team helped creating these stories and stuff like this....
The opener starts with biography before advice. That order makes the guest legible as a person before the listener extracts tactics.
Low-ego framing
Lenny (00:00:35): Welcome to Lenny's Podcast. I'm Lenny, and my aim here is to help you get better at the craft of building and growing...
Uses we/us, uncertainty, or learner framing instead of performing authority.
Accept praise cleanly
Lenny (00:03:43): Friday night your time, Friday morning my time. Thank you for making the time. Petra Wille (00:03:47): Of course. Lenny (00:03:48): You're a product leadership coach.
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.
Name the work
books, you can take all the courses, you can read my newsletter, you can read your book, which we'll talk about, but there's only so far you'll get without actually just doing it and just failing, doing...
Names a concrete strength, artifact, or contribution instead of offering generic praise.
Ask with curiosity
I'd a lot of empathy for the struggle of the product people to some extent. Plus, how should you help people grow if you have no clue what their role actually is all about? So that's what I actually like to...
Turns a moment that could become critique into a question about the guest's thinking.
Accept praise cleanly
Petra Wille (01:11:48): Exactly. Lenny (01:11:48): Petra, thank you so much for doing this. Petra Wille (01:11:50): Lenny, was a pleasure. Lenny (01:11:52): It's my pleasure....
Accepts praise without shrinking from it or turning it into a performance.